Thursday, 8 May 2025

Creative Cities Convention: Concern and caution expressed by UK TV over tariff threat

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Trump’s tariffs and diversity rollback hijacked the agenda at Creative Cities Convention where creators were also prominent

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With the plan for U.S tariffs on filmed content revealed to include TV shows, British producers, distributors and broadcasters have reacted with a mix of alarm and caution.

“Keep calm and let’s not make a kneejerk reaction,” said Sarah Rose, President of 5 and UK Regional Lead, Paramount at the Creative Cities Convention in Bradford. “I work for a U.S owned organisation so I won’t put my opinion out there but I don’t think my U.S colleagues would say Hollywood is dying.”

Trump’s social media post last weekend had claimed that he was acting because ‘The Movie Industry in America is DYING a very fast death.’

Jane Turton, CEO, All3Media who is considered a potential future BBC Director General said, “The U.S is still a net exporter of IP so we’re not talking about a failing Hollywood. Possibly [Trump] is talking about tax breaks to encourage more production in the U.S. We just can’t answer because we don’t know the details.”

While UK film and TV producers play a guessing game it is the uncertainty in cementing productions which could already be causing damage.

“The problem is that it’s not just a tweet,” said Marcus Ryder, CEO, Film and TV Charity. “Some of his policies don’t go away. What is discouraging is that two people [referring to Rose and Turton] don’t know what it means and anxiety is sky high for a lot of people.

“Even if these tariffs only last for three years, people have to pay their mortgage this month. If they can’t, they will leave the industry. It can have a long term effect on Britain’s talent even if it’s just [temporary].”

Gwyneth Hughes, the screenwriter who wrote and executive produced Mr Bates vs The Post Office, said Trump’s White House would make for a fantastic drama.

“All we know is that tariffs hurt consumers in the U.S,” she added. “That’s been true so far and it’s going to be true here as well. Over the medium to long term it is a disaster economically.”

There was also concern that the rollback of diversity, equity, and inclusion under Trump may spread here.  This month (25 May) will be the fifth anniversary of the death of George Floyd whose murder by police in Minneapolis reignited the Black Lives Matter movement and for a while prompted positive action on diversity in sport, media and the boardroom.

“That is now under threat,” said Ryder. “Even just the perception [of roll back] is having serious mental health effects on the black, brown and disabled people working in the industry. People are petrified. Anyone you talk to working in DEI are worried.

“We need more people to say they will not roll back. We need more people in positions of power to say what they said five years ago.”

It fell to the two people in positions of power sharing the stage to respond. Both Rose and Turton voiced their support. “We have long since proven that diversity is a very positive thing from a business and societal and purely human perspective,” said Turton. “We continue and we believe in it. It is business sense.”

Rose oversees Channel 5 and Paramount’s pay-TV brands in the UK and was previously chief consumer and strategy officer at Channel 4. She said Channel 4 had led on DEI but the policies she found at Paramount were even more progressive.

“We are not doing anything different. Day to day it is critical to maintain diversity and that is exactly what we’ve done. Diversity is not a cost to the business.”

Ryder wasn’t satisfied. Noting that the audience in Bradford was overwhelmingly white, he said the industry wasn’t “close to representing our [TV] audiences. “It is heartening to hear Sarah and Jane publicly committing to diversity. We need to get more people shouting from the rooftops.”

With so much of UK indie production reliant on public service broadcaster cash, the issue of the future of PSBs was high on the agenda. Should the industry regulate to protect PSBs or let the market decide?

Ryder was in no doubt: “You cannot have a democracy unless you’ve got a functional media sector where people can exchange ideas and narratives. Not just news but drama and children programmes. We have to find a way to make sure the industry thrives and we have that multitude of different voices.”

Turton agreed adding, “The PSB ecosystem is a thing we should preserve. All3Media’s biggest customer is Netflix and our second is the BBC. We want them all to be strong because they offer different rights packages and audiences. It has become a more complicated business but it allows us to innovate both in business terms and editorially.”

She backed the renewal of the licence fee which is only guaranteed until the end of 2027.

PSBs need to be strong because it shows that [the UK industry] has a long term sustainable business model. What happens post ‘27 with the licence fee is that if we see another 11 year [funding deal] it directly impacts on jobs every day of the week because [indie producers] know there will be work coming through.”

Hughes was struck that Adolescence, a series that reached the national consciousness like Mr Bates, was made by Netflix (after being developed at Amazon Prime).

“Public service is more complicated. It’s about who attracts and keeps audiences. Even Netflix does very regional material now. Why did it take Netflix to make that show with the impact it had?”

Rose pointed out that the creatives behind Adolescence including writer Jack Thorne, production company Warp Films and Netflix’ VP of content Anne Mensah, have a background working for PSBs.

“If you let the PSB ecosystem wither you will not have Adolescence,” she said.

Prominence for PSB content on YouTube and other social media platforms is expected to be a key recommendation in Ofcom’s upcoming review on the topic.

“I do think we need intervention and regulation,” Rose said. “We can’t sit and ask for it passively. We are all moving into streaming but [PSB] is too precious to leave to Korean Connected TV manufacturers.”

Ofcom CEO Melanie Dawes said in parliament this week: “That problem [is] can audiences actually find public service content, given the number of platforms that we all engage with? The Media Act does something about that for smart and connected TVs, but it does not tackle prominence on, for example, YouTube, which is increasingly where viewing hours are spent in the home, particularly among younger audiences. It also does not deal with social media. There will be no silver bullet, but the Government are keen for us to do that work.”

The review, which is set to be published before parliament’s summer recess, will also recommend greater transparency around the algorithms used by online platforms, as well as what people are watching online.

Lomax called YouTube an open platform, “but that doesn’t mean anything goes. We have very robust community guidelines which act as a guiderail for our partners. We have been using AI since 2018 to flag content and we have 20,000 people globally to flag content. We also work with NGOs and independent advisors so that any content that violates [our policies] are removed.”

In Q4 2024 0.08 percent of content on the platform violated its policies, she said. “There is a perception that compliance is all run by machines. Machines are actually phenomenal but it’s also important to have people reviewing content.”

Creators take control on legacy media terms

Creative Cities Convention is a UK TV industry event co-founded in 2018 by Pact chief executive John McVay as a networking event for regional indies to meet commissioning executives. This year, with YouTube dominating media consumption, creators loomed large in the conversation.

Alison Lomax, who runs YouTube in the UK and Ireland, said, “We are a technology and distribution platform. We do not make content.”

Some people in legacy media might feel that YouTube is for kids but it is intergenerational, she said, citing YouTube’s reach over 90 per cent of all age groups.

YouTube’s partner programme, which launched in 2007, enables creators to monetise their content “once they get to a certain level” of followers. This is primarily through advertising (of which creators get the major share) and also via channel membership in which exclusive content is put behind paywall, or super chats and stickers which are especially popular in Asia.

YouTube has paid out $70 billion globally to creators over the last three years, Lomax said.

Broadcasters and production companies who reach a certain threshold are able to sell their own YouTube inventory. “We sell it to them for rate card. They can mark it up, bundle it with other inventory, sell it to media agencies.”

Eleanor Neale, a YouTuber with 2.8 million subscribers who makes primarily true crime podcasts, said she would she be tempted to work with broadcasters provided she had creative control. That wasn’t the case when she was approached a few years ago.

“They wanted my numbers [followers] but not me,” she said. “They had a fully fleshed out idea, sometimes even a script. I just felt like an actor. What creators need is to be involved from ideation to execution and for the connection be a lot more collaborative.”

Neale has just rebranded her business to OUTLORE to reflect that she has a team working for her (including researchers, an editor and a MD) and to expand her remit outside of true crime. She had advice for producers wanting to engage audiences with social content.

“I went through a phase of getting quite theatrical with my performance and scripting material,” she said. It was bit too polished so I decided to go back to my roots and read from notes in front of me. You can see there is a real person there. It’s almost like Facetime. That authenticity is what I am trying to bring back into it now.”

She also said that injecting “happy emotions” such as promotions to charities and “shouting out protests” was a better means of engaging audiences than “rage baiting.”

Channel 4 has around 30 YouTube channels including digital-first brand, Channel 4.0 targeting 13–24-year-olds with UK creators like Harry Pinero, Nella Rose and Specs.

“Success comes when you hire commissioners who understand this content and who collaborate with creators,” said Matt Risley, Managing Director, 4Studios. “It is not about broadcasters telling creators what works. Legacy media need to be open about thinking differently, about working with the creator and leveraging data and insight to build an audience.”

Lomax encouraged producers to distribute their archive content on YouTube, including long form drama and documentaries. “The living room TV is the most popular device for watching YouTube in America with more opportunities for producers to monetize, such as midrolls ads.”

Over 85% of watchtime for UK creators comes from outside the UK, Lomax said. “That global opportunity is massive.”

Channel 4 is already putting full length docs and episodic on the platform a factor which helped it achieve one billion minutes of UK watch time in the first quarter this year alone.

David Smyth, Commissioner, Entertainment ITV said, “We tend not to break new talent. We go with established talent that means something to our viewers already. If you pluck someone from YouTube and shove them on TV it won’t work but that doesn’t mean we should shut ourselves off for social media creators. It’s about working out the right vehicle.”

For instance, ITV sent podcaster and TikTok star GK Barry into I’m A Celebrity last winter, alongside other celebs more familiar to the TV audience. “Now we can use somebody like her in more mainstream hosting roles [because] she’s not been plucked straight from YouTube into primetime.”

UKTV Head of Factual and Fact Ent Commissioning, Helen Nightingale did something similar by pairing young comedian and Instagram star Jake Lambert with Jack Dee on an episode of Dave series World’s Most Dangerous Roads. “We were able to bring in a large number of younger demographics,” she said.

 

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